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		<title>Comment on What every reader should know before going to RWA by Wendy</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/07/what-every-reader-should-know-before-going-to-rwa/#comment-2567</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is all very excellent advice, and anyone who has never been to RWA, but is thinking about going, should read this.  Yes, it is very exciting to meet and chat with authors - but it's not like we were all having drinks with Linda Howard, lunch with Lisa Kleypas, and going shopping with Nora! 

One of my favorite parts of RWA is meeting the aspiring writers who are there.  I love hearing about what workshops they attended, how their conference is going etc.  Cuz hey, you never know.  That aspiring author you meet could one be the next Romance Genre Rock Star!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very excellent advice, and anyone who has never been to RWA, but is thinking about going, should read this.  Yes, it is very exciting to meet and chat with authors - but it&#8217;s not like we were all having drinks with Linda Howard, lunch with Lisa Kleypas, and going shopping with Nora! </p>
<p>One of my favorite parts of RWA is meeting the aspiring writers who are there.  I love hearing about what workshops they attended, how their conference is going etc.  Cuz hey, you never know.  That aspiring author you meet could one be the next Romance Genre Rock Star!
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		<title>Comment on What every reader should know before going to RWA by Sasha</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/07/what-every-reader-should-know-before-going-to-rwa/#comment-2566</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think readers attending RWA is fabulous.  I didn't get to go this year, but I often feel that RWA has the comraderie that only hundreds of book lovers in one place can have. LOL   You're very right when you say that every writer was a fine first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think readers attending RWA is fabulous.  I didn&#8217;t get to go this year, but I often feel that RWA has the comraderie that only hundreds of book lovers in one place can have. LOL   You&#8217;re very right when you say that every writer was a fine first.
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		<title>Comment on Do you see what I see? by Marg</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/04/do-you-see-what-i-see/#comment-2557</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting post. After years of blogging I do still feel on the outside a lot of the time, and I don't know why that is. Part of it is about me, but part of it isn't. Sometimes I wonder if it is because I don't just do romance, or don't just do any other genre but do a mix of the two, but I guess I have gotten to the point where I just blog because I enjoy it and I still get up in  the morning looking to see if anyone has posted a comment on my blog and I am thrilled when there is a comment and a little disappointed if there isn't.

I do avoid the controversies, simply because I hate confrontation at the best of time, but also because there is something of a jump on the bandwagon kind of mentality around at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. After years of blogging I do still feel on the outside a lot of the time, and I don&#8217;t know why that is. Part of it is about me, but part of it isn&#8217;t. Sometimes I wonder if it is because I don&#8217;t just do romance, or don&#8217;t just do any other genre but do a mix of the two, but I guess I have gotten to the point where I just blog because I enjoy it and I still get up in  the morning looking to see if anyone has posted a comment on my blog and I am thrilled when there is a comment and a little disappointed if there isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I do avoid the controversies, simply because I hate confrontation at the best of time, but also because there is something of a jump on the bandwagon kind of mentality around at times.
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		<title>Comment on Do you see what I see? by Tumperkin</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/04/do-you-see-what-i-see/#comment-2548</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting post Robin.  And in the spirit of your post, I will venture to disagree somewhat.

I blog and comment on various other blogs, and I do so primarily for my personal enjoyment.  Actually it goes further than that - it's for enjoyment AND to escape other things such as the stresses of a challenging job.   

I have become more and more consumed in this rather comforting online world in which people may disagree but generally do so about matters that are of little importance in the grand scheme of things.  To that extent, my involvement in the online world reflects the reasons that I read romance novels: for my own entertainment and pleasure.    

You've mentioned that to you the online community feels like a negotiation between rival gangs.  Well, it doesn't to me.  I'm more often struck by how terribly anxious the majority of participants are not to cause offence.  Of course, there are always provacteurs but the majority of commenters are really frightfully polite to everyone and if people feel they've been interpreted as criticising or getting at someone else, more often than not they're horrified and profuse apologies ensue.  Beyond that there's a sort of 'Team Romance' mindset (lots of encouraging high-fiving going on) which I find simultaneouly rather sweet and a bit irritating.   To my mind the online romance community is generally an incredibly supportive and welcoming one.

Perhaps this is what you mean when you say you'd like to see 'more active disagreement'?  I can understand that - it can be a bit too 'cosy' at times.  But I think the reality is that many people in this community more value being part of a consensus, rather than wanting to contribute controversial views to a 'marketplace of ideas'.  

I've noticed that many bloggers will specifically comment that they are steering clear of a particular controversy (usually elsewhere than in the forum where the controversy is being played out).  This sort of stated refusal to be part of a particular argument is perhaps a measure of that desire to be part of a consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Robin.  And in the spirit of your post, I will venture to disagree somewhat.</p>
<p>I blog and comment on various other blogs, and I do so primarily for my personal enjoyment.  Actually it goes further than that - it&#8217;s for enjoyment AND to escape other things such as the stresses of a challenging job.   </p>
<p>I have become more and more consumed in this rather comforting online world in which people may disagree but generally do so about matters that are of little importance in the grand scheme of things.  To that extent, my involvement in the online world reflects the reasons that I read romance novels: for my own entertainment and pleasure.    </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve mentioned that to you the online community feels like a negotiation between rival gangs.  Well, it doesn&#8217;t to me.  I&#8217;m more often struck by how terribly anxious the majority of participants are not to cause offence.  Of course, there are always provacteurs but the majority of commenters are really frightfully polite to everyone and if people feel they&#8217;ve been interpreted as criticising or getting at someone else, more often than not they&#8217;re horrified and profuse apologies ensue.  Beyond that there&#8217;s a sort of &#8216;Team Romance&#8217; mindset (lots of encouraging high-fiving going on) which I find simultaneouly rather sweet and a bit irritating.   To my mind the online romance community is generally an incredibly supportive and welcoming one.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is what you mean when you say you&#8217;d like to see &#8216;more active disagreement&#8217;?  I can understand that - it can be a bit too &#8216;cosy&#8217; at times.  But I think the reality is that many people in this community more value being part of a consensus, rather than wanting to contribute controversial views to a &#8216;marketplace of ideas&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that many bloggers will specifically comment that they are steering clear of a particular controversy (usually elsewhere than in the forum where the controversy is being played out).  This sort of stated refusal to be part of a particular argument is perhaps a measure of that desire to be part of a consensus.
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		<title>Comment on Books for newbies? by Robin</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/07/31/books-for-newbies/#comment-2545</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would give the same books that were used to convert me:

Black Silk by Judith Ivory/Judy Cuevas
Flowers from the Storm by Laura Kinsale
To Have and To Hold by Patricia Gaffney
Naked in Death by JD Robb
The Windflower by Laura London (Sharon and Tom Curtis)

And, mind you, this was only a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give the same books that were used to convert me:</p>
<p>Black Silk by Judith Ivory/Judy Cuevas<br />
Flowers from the Storm by Laura Kinsale<br />
To Have and To Hold by Patricia Gaffney<br />
Naked in Death by JD Robb<br />
The Windflower by Laura London (Sharon and Tom Curtis)</p>
<p>And, mind you, this was only a few years ago.
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		<title>Comment on Do you see what I see? by Robin</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/04/do-you-see-what-i-see/#comment-2544</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I know exactly what you mean, Rosie.  It became very clear to me that despite the insistence of some that the online community is small, I think that perception comes from the fact that not everyone who participates does so by actively posting.  I wonder, actually, if those who converse online are a minority of the "online community," but there's likely no way to confirm or deny that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you mean, Rosie.  It became very clear to me that despite the insistence of some that the online community is small, I think that perception comes from the fact that not everyone who participates does so by actively posting.  I wonder, actually, if those who converse online are a minority of the &#8220;online community,&#8221; but there&#8217;s likely no way to confirm or deny that.
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		<title>Comment on Do you see what I see? by Rosie</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/08/04/do-you-see-what-i-see/#comment-2542</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Most of the time I believe that everything I write is projected out into some foggy ether that a few people happen to stumble into. I am still surprised when people comment on my reviews or columns. &lt;/i&gt;

Robin, I've met with other bloggers before, but it's never so profoundly hit me that "people" read what I write as it did this past week.   I had diverse conversation with a variety of people on several different topics almost entirely based on content we'd read online.  While amazing and exhilarating it also boggled my mind.

As for what I'd like to see, well, I realized this past week there is more variety out here than I thought.  I found a few places (sites) that I didn't know about that are going to give me a broader view of the publishing world rather than the more narrow one of only Romance.   It's part of my educational process for understanding how things work and one that I think other readers could benefit from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most of the time I believe that everything I write is projected out into some foggy ether that a few people happen to stumble into. I am still surprised when people comment on my reviews or columns. </i></p>
<p>Robin, I&#8217;ve met with other bloggers before, but it&#8217;s never so profoundly hit me that &#8220;people&#8221; read what I write as it did this past week.   I had diverse conversation with a variety of people on several different topics almost entirely based on content we&#8217;d read online.  While amazing and exhilarating it also boggled my mind.</p>
<p>As for what I&#8217;d like to see, well, I realized this past week there is more variety out here than I thought.  I found a few places (sites) that I didn&#8217;t know about that are going to give me a broader view of the publishing world rather than the more narrow one of only Romance.   It&#8217;s part of my educational process for understanding how things work and one that I think other readers could benefit from.
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		<title>Comment on Books for newbies? by Sasha</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/07/31/books-for-newbies/#comment-2540</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;What five books would you give to a friend you were trying to convert?&lt;/i&gt;

I'd have to go with Outlander, by Diana Gabaldon, (if they were into history)  if they weren't then I agree with the JD Robb, books.  If it was a guy I'd probably give him one of my Heat books, cus the sex would hook them &#62; LOL .  If it was a female, i'd be tempted to give IT HAD TO BE YOU by SEP as well, just cuz it's one of my own all time favorites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What five books would you give to a friend you were trying to convert?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to go with Outlander, by Diana Gabaldon, (if they were into history)  if they weren&#8217;t then I agree with the JD Robb, books.  If it was a guy I&#8217;d probably give him one of my Heat books, cus the sex would hook them &gt; LOL .  If it was a female, i&#8217;d be tempted to give IT HAD TO BE YOU by SEP as well, just cuz it&#8217;s one of my own all time favorites.
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		<title>Comment on Books for newbies? by Aoife</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/07/31/books-for-newbies/#comment-2536</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have reached the point where I make no effort to convert friends/family to Romance, because in the past my efforts have not been particularly successful.  Over the years, I found that there is a quantum leap between people liking books with some romantic elements, such as Sayers, or books from "classic" writers like Mary Stewart, and those same people being willing to read Loretta Chase or Lisa Kleypas.  There seems to be a line some people are not willing to cross, mostly because it doesn't interest them for whatever reason, and it largely has to do with the proportion of a book that is given over to sex, particularly sex that is vividly described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reached the point where I make no effort to convert friends/family to Romance, because in the past my efforts have not been particularly successful.  Over the years, I found that there is a quantum leap between people liking books with some romantic elements, such as Sayers, or books from &#8220;classic&#8221; writers like Mary Stewart, and those same people being willing to read Loretta Chase or Lisa Kleypas.  There seems to be a line some people are not willing to cross, mostly because it doesn&#8217;t interest them for whatever reason, and it largely has to do with the proportion of a book that is given over to sex, particularly sex that is vividly described.
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		<title>Comment on Books for newbies? by RfP</title>
		<link>http://accessromance.com/gab/2008/07/31/books-for-newbies/#comment-2535</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;How about for those people who’ve done all that?&lt;/i&gt;

It's all about what elements the reader likes.  The male friend above might like one of the better plotted/more stalkerrific Linda Howards.  Another friend liked Mary Stewart, du Maurier, and Anthony Capella's &lt;i&gt;The Wedding Officer&lt;/i&gt;; I'm not sure what's next--new Gothic like Sandra Schwab?  Or another smart/literate heroine--maybe an erotic historical?  Or if she's had her fill of romance for a while, that's fine too.  I'm not really into "conversion"; I just like sharing good books and finding common ground to talk about them.

&lt;i&gt;Gave her Crusie but she didn’t like it (Bet Me) which surprised me.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Bet Me&lt;/i&gt; has a lot of elements at the extreme girly/schmaltzy end of romance (e.g. the snow globes!), but I like that it looks at the dark side of those elements, and Min can be a girly girl and still subvert romance tropes.  But I suspect if you're not a romance reader, with all those elements it's probably squarely within gooshy chick lit/women's fiction.

Sometimes after &lt;i&gt;Agnes&lt;/i&gt; I suggest &lt;i&gt;Faking It&lt;/i&gt;/&lt;i&gt;Welcome to Temptation&lt;/i&gt;, which wear their twisted elements front and center.  But not everyone wants to immediately read another book from the same author/subgenre--that's a major commitment for a non-obsessive reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How about for those people who’ve done all that?</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about what elements the reader likes.  The male friend above might like one of the better plotted/more stalkerrific Linda Howards.  Another friend liked Mary Stewart, du Maurier, and Anthony Capella&#8217;s <i>The Wedding Officer</i>; I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s next&#8211;new Gothic like Sandra Schwab?  Or another smart/literate heroine&#8211;maybe an erotic historical?  Or if she&#8217;s had her fill of romance for a while, that&#8217;s fine too.  I&#8217;m not really into &#8220;conversion&#8221;; I just like sharing good books and finding common ground to talk about them.</p>
<p><i>Gave her Crusie but she didn’t like it (Bet Me) which surprised me.</i></p>
<p><i>Bet Me</i> has a lot of elements at the extreme girly/schmaltzy end of romance (e.g. the snow globes!), but I like that it looks at the dark side of those elements, and Min can be a girly girl and still subvert romance tropes.  But I suspect if you&#8217;re not a romance reader, with all those elements it&#8217;s probably squarely within gooshy chick lit/women&#8217;s fiction.</p>
<p>Sometimes after <i>Agnes</i> I suggest <i>Faking It</i>/<i>Welcome to Temptation</i>, which wear their twisted elements front and center.  But not everyone wants to immediately read another book from the same author/subgenre&#8211;that&#8217;s a major commitment for a non-obsessive reader.
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